Nested Challenge Sequence – Bad Dog Agility Academy

Nested Challenge Sequence

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  • Sue & the Ratties says:

    Jennifer, Congrats again on your win at Westminster. Your run with Pink was amazing!

    We struggled with this exercise. The back/blind combination was rough. I think for us a pole turn/rear or even pole/front might have worked better. Both my dogs ran slow. I think I just
    over-trained trying to get it right. Looking forward to hearing how I could have worked it better.

    Cecil. – We never got option 2, so I did option 1 again w/ wrap


  • Collene says:

    On Challenge Option 2: Did you set up your dog on right and go to your lead out position? That would seem to make the most sense, but just checking since option 1 started with dog on left.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      When deciding which side to line the dog up on and walk out on, I often think “if my dog breaks their stay, what side allows the best recovery?” In the case of option 2, I would walk into position with her on my left so that *if* she broke I could recovery by going into a FC or RC threadle.

  • Claire says:

    Hi Jennifer. Here is Andy running the Challenge both ways.

    I have a question please. When using a decel as you approach the jump to (1) encourage a tight turn and (2) allow you to get further down the course earlier, does it make a difference how far back you stop and plant that last foot and send the dog to the jump? I can see where you wouldn’t want to go too close to the jump as you may cause the dog to drift out past the jump. But if I stop and send from too far back, do I risk slowing Andy down? He likes it when I go all the way in for a tunnel when possible so I wonder if I stop too soon for a jump send if this would be the same idea. I could time sends from different distances to see if it makes a difference to Andy but I thought I’d ask you also to get your thoughts.

    Thank you

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I do think it is possible to have too much distance/too early deceleration when doing a send. You want to decelerate early enough that they have time to react, but you don’t want a “forced send” where you stop so early/so far away that the dog doesn’t drive to the obstacle. You can do some training to make sure they drive all the way to the jump despite motion but I do think for Andy you should make sure not to “force” the send as I do think he will travel more slowly to the jump if you are just standing there.


      • Claire says:

        Thank you so much.

        My hunch was that I could be unintentionally slowing Andy down by sending to a jump from too far back so thanks for your input

        I wanted to try the lead out push again, instead of running with Andy to #2, just to see your thoughts on this NOT being my first choice on course. From working with you previously, you had questioned if this way slows him down a little and it appears it does. I will not pick this as first choice if possible.

        I did pull out my Susan Salo book and class notes and my Linda Mecklenburg book to read about extension grids. I also rewatched your video and explanation on Extension, Relative Collection and Collection. (That’s my goal! To see if I can get him to run the Extension part like that!).

        I have been setting up grids and running them with Andy, varying the distances to watch for the number of strides. Thank you for identifying this. I will continue with grid work a couple of times per week and hopefully we will begin to see a change.

  • Nancy T says:

    Hi Jen, I just have option 1 video for you. Option 2 didn’t go too well for us. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving

  • CarrieN says:

    I left in only one clip of option 1. It was the best of our attempts and I still was not happy with it. Option 2 went a little better…. once I remembered how I was supposed to handle the last wrap. I was having a couple of “duh” moments when practicing after work this evening🙄

  • Sue says:

    Hiya! Gave this a go this morning. It looks like it’s snowing, but it is blossom from a tree! 🙂
    Jump number 5 caused us the most problems.
    I think I did a mash-up at the end with my preferred handling, but maybe the wrap was slower than the blind – it usually is with Robbie. 🙂

  • Barb VE says:

    Here are all 3 dogs doing this drill:

    First Patt, then Lollie, then Enzo. Obviously, I don’t expect a review of all of them. 🙂

    I forgot the option of wrapping #7 until Enzo. 🙂


    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Good work here! I definitely like going the long way in #3 for your pups. I also noticed some wrapping weaknesses with Enzo you might want to work on.

      • Barb VE says:

        Hi Jennifer,
        Amazing analysis; thank you so much. Especially appreciate your insights into how to improve Enzo’s work. I will be doing some wrap work with him.
        He is also doing a jumping class with Linda M. which should, over time, improve his position on things like the wrap.

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          Yes, some isolated jumping work will certainly help. I don’t see him as a bad jumper – just needs work on his bending. You cued the wraps well. I would just like to see him a bit farther past the wing before jumping. Bend and double bend recalls will be your friend this winter 😉

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