Nested Challenge Sequence – Bad Dog Agility Academy

Nested Challenge Sequence

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  • Sue & the Ratties says:

    Jennifer, Congrats again on your win at Westminster. Your run with Pink was amazing!

    We struggled with this exercise. The back/blind combination was rough. I think for us a pole turn/rear or even pole/front might have worked better. Both my dogs ran slow. I think I just
    over-trained trying to get it right. Looking forward to hearing how I could have worked it better.

    Cecil. – We never got option 2, so I did option 1 again w/ wrap


  • Collene says:

    On Challenge Option 2: Did you set up your dog on right and go to your lead out position? That would seem to make the most sense, but just checking since option 1 started with dog on left.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      When deciding which side to line the dog up on and walk out on, I often think “if my dog breaks their stay, what side allows the best recovery?” In the case of option 2, I would walk into position with her on my left so that *if* she broke I could recovery by going into a FC or RC threadle.

  • Claire says:

    Hi Jennifer. Here is Andy running the Challenge both ways.

    I have a question please. When using a decel as you approach the jump to (1) encourage a tight turn and (2) allow you to get further down the course earlier, does it make a difference how far back you stop and plant that last foot and send the dog to the jump? I can see where you wouldn’t want to go too close to the jump as you may cause the dog to drift out past the jump. But if I stop and send from too far back, do I risk slowing Andy down? He likes it when I go all the way in for a tunnel when possible so I wonder if I stop too soon for a jump send if this would be the same idea. I could time sends from different distances to see if it makes a difference to Andy but I thought I’d ask you also to get your thoughts.

    Thank you

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I do think it is possible to have too much distance/too early deceleration when doing a send. You want to decelerate early enough that they have time to react, but you don’t want a “forced send” where you stop so early/so far away that the dog doesn’t drive to the obstacle. You can do some training to make sure they drive all the way to the jump despite motion but I do think for Andy you should make sure not to “force” the send as I do think he will travel more slowly to the jump if you are just standing there.


      • Claire says:

        Thank you so much.

        My hunch was that I could be unintentionally slowing Andy down by sending to a jump from too far back so thanks for your input

        I wanted to try the lead out push again, instead of running with Andy to #2, just to see your thoughts on this NOT being my first choice on course. From working with you previously, you had questioned if this way slows him down a little and it appears it does. I will not pick this as first choice if possible.

        I did pull out my Susan Salo book and class notes and my Linda Mecklenburg book to read about extension grids. I also rewatched your video and explanation on Extension, Relative Collection and Collection. (That’s my goal! To see if I can get him to run the Extension part like that!).

        I have been setting up grids and running them with Andy, varying the distances to watch for the number of strides. Thank you for identifying this. I will continue with grid work a couple of times per week and hopefully we will begin to see a change.

  • Nancy T says:

    Hi Jen, I just have option 1 video for you. Option 2 didn’t go too well for us. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving

  • CarrieN says:

    I left in only one clip of option 1. It was the best of our attempts and I still was not happy with it. Option 2 went a little better…. once I remembered how I was supposed to handle the last wrap. I was having a couple of “duh” moments when practicing after work this evening🙄

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Sorry for the wrong link before. This is the correct link:

      • CarrieN says:

        Hey Jen! Sorry if this is a duplicate comment- thought I hit submit, but maybe not. My leaving late out of the blind probably stems more from my discomfort with blinds than the push to the backside. I’ve not done much training or utilized them much. It is on my list of things we need work on. I edited out a rep in between the clips on the second nested challenge. Roulez read it correctly as a rear cross– as she took off, I went “ugh” because I realized my positioning and motion was telling her rear cross. I appreciate your insight and feedback. Anything you suggest for me getting further up the line is welcome😊.

  • Sue says:

    Hiya! Gave this a go this morning. It looks like it’s snowing, but it is blossom from a tree! 🙂
    Jump number 5 caused us the most problems.
    I think I did a mash-up at the end with my preferred handling, but maybe the wrap was slower than the blind – it usually is with Robbie. 🙂

  • Barb VE says:

    Here are all 3 dogs doing this drill:

    First Patt, then Lollie, then Enzo. Obviously, I don’t expect a review of all of them. 🙂

    I forgot the option of wrapping #7 until Enzo. 🙂


    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Good work here! I definitely like going the long way in #3 for your pups. I also noticed some wrapping weaknesses with Enzo you might want to work on.

      • Barb VE says:

        Hi Jennifer,
        Amazing analysis; thank you so much. Especially appreciate your insights into how to improve Enzo’s work. I will be doing some wrap work with him.
        He is also doing a jumping class with Linda M. which should, over time, improve his position on things like the wrap.

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          Yes, some isolated jumping work will certainly help. I don’t see him as a bad jumper – just needs work on his bending. You cued the wraps well. I would just like to see him a bit farther past the wing before jumping. Bend and double bend recalls will be your friend this winter 😉

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