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Welcome |
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| Lesson 2 |
Changing Your Password |
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| Lesson 3 |
Getting Help/Feedback |
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| Lesson 4 |
Video Editing |
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| Lesson 5 |
June 26th Virtual Happy Hour |
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| Puppies | + |
| Lesson 1 |
IncrediPUPS Training Outline |
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| Lesson 2 |
2 Toy Trade Game |
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| Lesson 3 |
Offering Attention and “Go See” |
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| Lesson 4 |
Restrained Recall |
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| Lesson 5 |
Shaping a Start Line Stay |
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| Foundations | - |
| Lesson 1 |
Starting a Threadle Verbal |
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| Lesson 2 |
Collection Recall |
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| Lesson 3 |
Single Jump Rear Cross (and adding distance) |
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| Drills | + |
| Lesson 1 |
Pinwheel/180/Wrap Comparison |
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| Lesson 2 |
Lead Out Push Drill |
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| Lesson 3 |
Gamble Weave Drills |
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| Lesson 4 |
Rear Cross Compare and Contrast |
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| IncrediPAWS Course | + |
| Lesson 1 |
IncrediPAWS Course - Week of June 1st |
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| Lesson 2 |
IncrediPAWS Courses - Week of June 8th |
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| Lesson 3 |
IncrediPAWS Course 1 - Week of June 15th |
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| Lesson 4 |
IncrediPAWS Sequences - Week of June 22nd |
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| Premier | + |
| Lesson 1 |
Threadle Slice at a Distance |
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| Lesson 2 |
Collection Jumping Grids |
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| Lesson 3 |
Threadle Around the Clock |
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| Lesson 4 |
Petr Pupik Course 1 at IncrediPAWS |
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have been working on the verbal threadle with Zippity the last few days to try to hold my arm still and have him go around the barrel on the verbal alone. Feels like we are making progress – what do you think? and where to go with this next?
https://youtu.be/3bTCX0MJbZI
You got a haircut!! It looks great!
Yes, these are definitely an improvement from the last video. Where do you go next? Two things: 1) make sure you can do this on both sides. It is important that he learns the verbal means to turn away regardless of side. When you practice a lot of one side they will sometimes think the verbal is about a specific direction. In this case, we want to make sure he doesn’t think “in” means turn right. 2) begin to back up your location. He was natural approaching farther back each time as you threw your treat. Now you need to begin to back up.
thanks Jenn. I am so happy with short hair – it is perfect for summer. I am working both directions of the ‘in’ – thanks for the reminder – just that morning, every time I filmed I had technical problems – you didn’t need to see the video of the bottom of the birdbath :-). Will start backing up now – I think Zippity is ready for it.
Jenn, I’ve done the initial sessions on this which went well (I have a lot of work on a tunnel threadle prior to starting this, so the error rate was low). My question: I need to add a verbal cue. I think with Rowan, I want a different verbal for jump threadle curls vs. jump threadle slices. For handlers that go this route, do they also have a verbal for threadle rears? It seems like it wouldn’t be necessary–the threadle curl vs. rear could easily be cued with motion. However, when you get into curls vs. slices from a distance off the jump, handler motion is no longer a differentiating cue for the dog, and a verbal would help. Thoughts?
A threadle curl and a threadle rear are the same thing. So yes, two threadle verbals is what many are going with. Abbey uses “here” for the slice and “in” for the curl/rear and “close” for a tunnel. I haven’t decided what I will do with Surprise, but since I have started “in” at a barrel, I will have to use that for the rear/curl and pick something else for the slice (if I go with two different verbals.)
OK, all this time I had been thinking that threadle rears are 180s and threadle curls are 360s.
You are not alone. We just had this conversation on the VIP Facebook page as someone was thinking they needed THREE different threadle verbal cues. Think about it in terms of leads vs degree of terms.
Have been working on this with both Copper Sun and Zippity. Here is Zippity:
https://youtu.be/pPMPXHZdamI
This direction is Zippity’s better direction. Clockwise is harder for him so will work on that more. Your feedback is welcome – do you think he is ready for me to try to get some distance next?
Just a note: Chase, now fully retired, never learned ‘in’ but when I tried this with him, he had it within the first few tries. I was even able to get some distance in his first session. he is a talented and experienced learner after ten years of this!
This is a great start! I would not move to the next stage until you can get him to turn away more strongly on the verbal. He appears to just be following your hand around the barrel rather than making a conscious effort on his own. Work towards holding your arm still and having him turn on the verbal alone. THEN you can begin to back up so you are farther from the barrel. I don’t think Zippity’s location needs to change for a bit as your treat toss is great for setting up another rep.
thank you. tried this again earlier today and Zippity really seems to need to follow my hand. It may take a while to fade the arm movement, but we’ll work on it. Want to send you more video but will wait until I think we’re making progress.
I truly appreciate the extended cut!! I don’t have a puppy but I love watching your training and it’s still applicable with my older pups who don’t have a verbal threadle!!
Someone once told me they took an online class so they should see how someone trained their dogs. Not WHAT they taught them, but HOW they taught them. I found that fascinating and thought “rather than just editing the perfect reps, maybe I should include HOW I work through the mistakes.” So I am glad to hear you enjoy that part.
In makes me wonder – all the material about “the best” handling and training is out there for people to access. Maybe “the best” handlers/trainers are getting the results because of HOW they are training those skills and not necessarily WHAT they are training. (insert pondering emoji here)
https://youtu.be/hgivcZeDaN0
This is Mickey. He is almost ten months. This is our first attempt at this. We are both fairly new to this and this is our first online class. We Welcome any comments. Thanks. Bill
Awesome first session!! Feedback: https://youtu.be/OOtj3MdfxMY
Eddie has recently started the threadle jump verbal following with another online class. I REALLY like this method with the barrel better. Myles did this for the first time ever today. Is it ok if I start with the threadle and backside verbals now?
Eddie: https://youtu.be/oDM8fLRtB58
Myles: https://youtu.be/EOttQwck2xg
It is always fun to find out how different people teach the same thing in different ways. Sometime you will find one method better for your style than another. Just like the various methods of weave training. I’m glad this was something you liked!
This went well for both dogs but a bit better for Myles than for Eddie. Just a few reminders on markers. Try not to say “yay” before “get it” or “ya” will become your marker. I think you only did it once but its is always a good reminder to hear. Also, you should NOT be saying “get it” for the treat and train if that is your toy maker. Imagine someone telling you they were going to bring you a fresh baked cherry pie and instead they show up with coffee cake? “Liar!” right?! That’s what you’re doing to the dogs. The beep is the marker to the TnT. You don’t need another. Also, remember to run and drive away with the toy. We talked about it with Myles but I would do it with both boys. Especially since Eddie wasn’t super driving doing this. You were good 90% of the time. And yes, perfectly fine to start those verbals now.
Also, when starting with opposition reflex, try to give the verbal (“here”) before you release. This way if he is pulling towards the wrong side of the barrel you can withhold the release until you feel the shift of direction.
ok, just saw this last comment after my sessions today, oops! That being said… I feel like my body position is awkward. I also tried to make t harder for Myles with the MM and at about 25 sec he pulled a fully. I tried with a toy, maybe too soon??
Eddie: https://youtu.be/XvN0Cg5oBtU
Myles: https://youtu.be/CpkEmDuOyBo
a funny, sheesh
This session looks good. Myles is still doing better than Eddie. I don’t think with Eddie I would mix “here” and “push” in the same session. Also, start closer. He is fine when you are close but struggling a bit when you are farther away. Try to prevent the failures. Nothing I would adjust about your mechanics. Your body position looks fine. It might feel awkward but looks fine. You could stand up a bit more but that is all. Just keep working to continue their understanding.
Ok, I will separate them with Eddie. I will say that I am struggling with him wanting to shut down while doing these “thinking” skills. I’m trying to work through it, it is frustrating because I know he loves to RUN but we need the skills. Hoping you can guide us further:)
Make sure these aren’t the only thing you are doing. For Eddie, this should only be about 1/3 of your training. 1/3 should be focused on obstacle performance, 1/3 foundations, and 1/3 course work. And keep your sessions short. It’s not like he’s doing terrible on these drills where you need to be doing them all the time!
I think that might be part of the problem. In our RC class he is back to mat work which he also finds demotivating. I have done little course work since the first UKI at home trial. I’ll set something fun up today:)
Thanks. I know Im being terribly impatient but do feel sometimes like I must be missing something. “In” and “dig” are his new verbals , but if I think about it, have seen him do “here” and “ back” (older verbals) on verbals only. I think I will draw out the word ‘in’ much like you draw out push To try to help. And as far as differences between dogs, Keenan is a dog that will pick words out of sentences in daily life, whereas I rarely see tempo do that.
It is always interesting to me how different dogs will learn in such drastically different ways. There is such a natural component to the dogs leaning. I feel the same about it as I do with jumping; you can do as much training as you want but some dogs are going to be more naturally gifted than others. Clever is the most verbal sheltie I’ve ever had. And all my BCs I’ve had are better at verbals than the shelties 😝
So if you already have a “here” that you use at the tunnel can you use that here (haha) since you are asking dog to turn away and perform obstacle?
Harriett
Great question! I advise a different threadle verbal at a jump than a tunnel. Having said that, Swift (7 years) and P!nk (5 years) have the same verbal. I use “here” for tunnel threadle and jump threadle. I have since changed that as too often when I would be cuing a threadle at a jump but a tunnel was nearby, they would go running off looking for it. If your dogs know “here” means to look for a tunnel and take it, I think you could get into a bit of trouble using the same word at a jump.
Good reason for me to think about that! If i add distance to my “here” as i would want to be able to do at a jump since i do a lot of distance, i can see where having a different set of verbals would be clearer — and safer. Thanks for making me think about this.
Harriett
so i am trying to work this out in my mind for how i work with my dogs. If i am past a jump and want my dog to come to the side closest to me and jump away from me and then continue on with me, i think i would only need one new command for this, to indicate a jump only and it would not matter which side the dog was on, right or left. The command would be the same concept as the tunnel, come to me and turn away to the obstacle. Do you have different commands based on right or left or do you think that one would work for me or am i missing something?
Harriett
I *think* I understand your question. No, I don’t have a separate verbal for left and right but there are people that do. I use “in” for all threadles and if it is a curl (side charge) vs slice (non side charge) I just use motion to indicate the direction towards or away from me.
Justine, Abbey and my mom all have two jump threadle commands to help cue which way to turn after the jump. I have not done that yet (notice I say yet) for two reasons: 1) I hope to be mobile enough in my handling to indicate the direction to them with motion. 2) I question how many verbals my dogs can learn really well. I’d rather quality over quantity and I have to draw the line somewhere.
So if you choose two verbals, this demo video only shows the curl. You’d need a different verbal for slice (not demoed).
So I am absolutely frustrated with trying to teach Tempo verbals with dig and in. If I add a body cue he is fine , if i drop the body clues he doesn’t seem to have a clue and just guesses. He will repeat either dig or in if I keep saying it but will just keep doing the same thing when I switch verbals. I would show video but its horrible. I just am so exasperated trying to teach verbals. I must be doing something wrong.
There is no doubt that some dogs are more verbal than others. And the earlier in their life you teach them to be verbal the better off you are. How are his verbals away from obstacles? If he needs body cues right now, then give him the cues to help him be more successful. You can see at 1:39 and 1:43 I am using more than just the outside arm and leg to help. I even have that little hand release. You can also see I help with her starting position. I always start her on the side of the barrel that I want her to take. I am not asking her to pull off the line to threadle just yet.
Be patient. Hi5 has been doing a verbal foundation since birth and the session you see at the end of the demo video is the best it’s ever been. It takes time. I know you’ll get there.
Also, have you considered that “dig” and “in” might sound too similar for him? They are both short, one syllable words with similar sound.
I am working to not only give my dogs unique verbals, but also be aware of the sound. For the backside it is a very long, drown out “puuuussssshhhh” sound. My threadle is short and repetitive. At 2:10 is do “innnnnn” and even comment that was the wrong verbal. The word was correct but the tone/sound was wrong.
Just food for thought. Susan Garrett had a big thing about how dogs learn sounds not words, but I can’t find it now.