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Circling an Object with Arousal & Motion

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  • says:

    More Zippity! Too warm to work outdoors so went downstairs. Didn’t want to haul trash cans in but I found a barrel I didn’t realize I had – this was Zippity’s puppy tunnel (leaf chute). First, I had him circle the cone, then I put the chute over the cone (cone helps keep it stable). First had him circle barrel both directions (not on video) then tried some 270s and 360s. He did much better than yesterday’s work with trash cans, maybe because we were in the family room with fewer distractions and a comfortable training spot for him? Anyway, look forward to hearing where to go next with this. Add distance? not sure he is ready for distractions, what do you think? And yes, if he looks tall he is. Chase is 23″ at the shoulder and Zippity looks to me at six months to be about 23″ already. What else would you like to see? thanks in advance for your help.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Yes, this is much better than the outside session with the trash can. I’m glad you came back inside as I think there are several to improve at this stage before we go outside.

      Decide what verbal you want to use and use it with conviction. Your verbal was very soft and seemed more like casual conversation with him vs a command. I would use your backside verbal in this case. The main reason I want you to work on adding a verbal is that I want to see you add more of a send. I feel Zippity is just following your hand out to the barrel and then going around. The goal is to stand 4-6’ back and cue the barrel and have him leave your side to circle without you moving. This will be made easier with a verbal cue. Watch the first few reps of the demo video…that’s what I’d like to see next. Once we have this, we will add more motion back in to work on commitment. I don’t want to work commitment until his desire to circle the barrel is a bit stronger.

      • says:

        thanks Jenn. Just so I’m clear, my verbal should be my backside command (‘around’), yes? I was intentionally using my arm as primary cue, thinking that the verbal cue isn’t added until the dog is performing the end behavior. But I totally see your point. Next, I need to add/strengthen the verbal cue and try to get some distance, correct? should I stick with food for now? wondering because that tug toy you used in the video looks like it really helped build drive.

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          Yes, you are absolutely correct. I would use your “around” verbal and begin to strengthen the verbal and fade the arm cue. Begin to increase the distance as he shows understanding. With regard to food versus toys, I like toys better when trying to promote drive and doing behaviors of motion. Typically I introduce food when I want the dog to be a bit more thoughtful or I’m doing a static behavior.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      WOW! This is excellent! There are two part to this I want to see: 1) nice tight turn and 2) trusting the commitment so you can leave BEFORE he would jump. You nailed both.

      This is a great demonstration of what I would like to see for those of you who are looking for additional examples.

  • says:

    Ok finally got some video of the pups with the barrel.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      This was great! A perfect progression of motionless to motion and 270 to 360.

      Bee – She seems a bit better to the right than to left. Do you see/feel that too? :52 was excellent with great commitment and you moving right away after cued but at :56 you waited longer for her to commit before you started moving forward. You can add in some 360 blinds too!

      Mookie – 1:15 was a great example of markers. You said “get it” which ends behavior and he said “okay!” And then he called you out on ‘lying’ when you didn’t give him the toy at first. At least you realized your mistake 😉 Good dog trainer!! Click – treat for you! 1:40 is kind of the point of why I suggested this drill for him. When you were doing the jump in your basement he struggled to wrap with motion away. That is even a bit harder than what you saw here where the toy was the distractor. He got better and did a nice one at 2:10. I’ll admit I didn’t think he was going to wrap since he was staring right at the toy. The better he gets with toys, the more he will be able to cope with motion.

      • says:

        Thanks for the feedback. I felt they did about like I expected them to do. Bee is always better “wrapping” than “looping” too… not a bit surprise shes better to right here.

        Mookie…..I knew it would be harder for him to ignore the toy….so I was pleased with how he progressed!

  • says:

    Video of my train wreck. Myles is typically stronger than Eddie with his loop and wrap verbals.

  • Lauren says:

    Surprise’s bark is big like her mom’s! lol
    What command where you using for 5? Flip?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      When I trained Hi5, I always used “loop” and “wrap” for my wing/barrel work. I have since switch her to “puuuuushhh” as I was having confusion between frontside and backsides. Surprise and Hi5 have all the same verbals now.

  • Claire says:

    I’m trying to figure out what motivates CharLee the best, food or toy. I see you using both with the Treat and Train and the toy. Do you suggest I mix it up and use both?
    And one more marker question! – if I use a Lotus ball with a treat inside and throw it like you threw the toy, is that a ‘get it’ or a ‘find’ marker?
    Do you like using a Lotus ball?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      In an ideal world I’d like every dog to be able to train with food and toys and even better if they can switch back and forth between the two in a single session. Generally, I use food for thinking skills or static skills and toys for anything where I want speed and drive. I started this exercise with the Treat and Train to get her thinking but as soon as I felt she knew her job I switched to the toy.

      I think a Lotus ball can be great if you are trying to throw treats but the dog can’t see them in the ground. Working on grass for example. I have never seen the use of a Lotus ball transfer to toy drive. They just learn it is the transport system for the treat. So yes, a Lotus ball is fine but I don’t think it is necessary. I will tell you I don’t own one.

      As far as a marker, is he going to open the lotus ball and eat the treat at the location you have thrown it? If so, I would use your treat marker. If he is going to pick up the lotus ball and bring it back to you and then you open it up and give him the treat, then it works like a toy so I would use your toy marker. Does that make sense?

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