Intro to U-Shaped Tunnel Discriminations/Tunnel Threadles – Bad Dog Agility Academy

Intro to U-Shaped Tunnel Discriminations/Tunnel Threadles

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  • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

    Here’s Myles. I do typically practice both sides equally.
    https://youtu.be/gc4BsS2kHu8

  • Lauren says:

    what are your thoughts on using the release arm vs holding your arm still? I think the still theory is that the dogs need to have more independence instead of releasing on the arm release (if i’m not mistaken)

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Great question! In the beginning I use an arm release to help the dog turn away and look for the tunnel similar to how I would cue a rear cross on the flat. Many dogs want to keep their focus turned towards the handler. Eventually, I would like the dog to go on their own and not be dependent on the hand release. And lets be real; an arm release is only good if you are ahead where the dog can see it 😉

      I should have added that this is old video. I focus more to hold my arm still now, or at least I try. If you watch module 4 lesson 7 you will see from 1:40-1:55 that my arm is much more still than the demo video above.

  • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

    https://youtu.be/1PHn1i4hq4s
    For your review. I am super annoying. Am I overusing my verbals?? At times he needs a release then the verbal, is that ok or should I wait out the verbal alone? How far do I need to back up since he struggles with the tunnel straight on?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I thought that session went great particularly if it was your first time doing this exercise. One thing I did notice about your verbals that Drew my attention more than needed release with the inconsistency in the manner in which you said in. Sometimes you repeated it multiple times in a very short tone and other times you drew out your in command. I think the sound of a verbal is just as important, if not more important, than the actual word. So you need to decide how you would like to use that verbal and maintain some consistency with it.

      Yes, I would like for you to get rid of the release word and have him breaking on just the “in”. That is something that can be worked on away from agility. If he is struggling in this session you can do a couple things such as hold his collar for opposition reflex or send him around account so you’re not actually releasing from anything. It seemed that that repetitions where he had the mistakes were on the ones where you had to say OK first. In the split second you said OK he made a decision to take the wrong into the tunnel before you got the “in” verbal out.

      You do not need to back up very far. The need to draw the dog passed the first entrance of a straight tunnel is almost nonexistent. It will be more important as we begin to add the curve which you can go ahead and do if you would like. What you demonstrated in this video is good!

      • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

        Great feedback, thank you!! I’ll try to get more footage when the rain stops:)

      • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

        https://youtu.be/gqICryBBCCU
        Tried this today. Shape up tunnel threadle and wrap and loop verbals
        https://youtu.be/gqICryBBCCU

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          Eddie May 16 –
          :10 – try not to be running backwards for you “in”. Not super practical for what you’ll do on a course.
          :22 – Awesome!
          :42 – If you’re going to ask for a tight turn out of the tunnel cue it and cue it early!
          :55, :59, 1:11 and 1:14 – NO NO NO!! You should not be turning him away from you on a wing like that. That is a threadle and will be cued totally different. Only turns towards you.

          Both of these links are the same. Not sure if you meant to send a different 2nd video or not.

          • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

            CRAP!!!! This is why I need you. I was so worried that he didn’t understand the verbals well enough. Evidently I should be using here (Or not all all!)

          • Sbaumbarger@bex.net says:

            Do you want to see this again all the right way.

          • Jennifer Crank says:

            You’re decision. I will certainly look at it if you want to resubmit. But if you understand my feedback and trust your self to do it right 😉 then you are fine.

  • jlavalley@comcast.net says:

    Well we have it at a stand still. Work in progress! https://youtu.be/icJJgdSu8ZA

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Well this looks awesome! The first thing I noticed was your increased consistency on your “get it” marker! Yay!

      She is definitely ready for this exercise to be more difficult. I would start by repeating this drill but instead of leading out, stand right next to her. This will test her send to the “in”. After that, add more motion by sending her around a cone into the discrimination rather than being stationary in a stay.

      One comment about tunnel exits: When you are going to throw the toy straight out of the tunnel as opposed to have her turn back to you for the toy, you might add some kind of go straight verbal while she’s in the tunnel like “go” or “go on”. I would establish some type of baseline expectation for tunnel performances. Like, her default is to check in with you and you will tell her when you want her to go straight. Or the opposite; she is to go straight unless you cue her to turn in which case you should be using her name before they “get it” cues when you want her to turn. The bottom line is just be consistent. One time you would remain stationary on entry and cue her to turn at the exit and the other time you would remain stationary on entry and throw the toy to go straight.

      Hi5 is trained to exit based on the last thing she sees going in and I do have verbals for take turns to the left and right. Surprise is working through Nadine‘s class which is teaching to exit going straight unless cued. So her default would be to blast forward unless I use her name while she’s in the tunnel. I’ll let you know how it works out 😉

      • jlavalley@comcast.net says:

        Thanks

      • jlavalley@comcast.net says:

        More tunnel IN work, and trying hard to be more consistent on exits and marker. Ack SO much to think about. I’m out of practice! https://youtu.be/3A43ObFNsUY

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          The “in” is progressing nicely. Mostly I watched this thinking about you tunnel exits. She is really learning and responding nicely to “go”. On the second rep of this video you said her name way too late but she turned anyway. That tells us that turning is probably her default. So to see her respond so well to “go” is great. I really liked reps :31, :38, :56, 1:02.

          1:05 and 1:14 – You are pulling WAY too far off her line to get the “in”. At 1:05 she looked at you AND barked which implied she really didn’t know where even she was going. I’d much rather you shorten the distance and/or decrease the speed than to pull off the line this much. If you need to, get a better send to the barrel so that you are standing still for the “in”. More like 1:17 in the demo video. You can slowly add speed but it will be much harder when you can’t give her so much room if she gets used to it now.


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