How can I do a full 360 wrap when I’m on the OUTSIDE of a jump? – Bad Dog Agility Academy

How can I do a full 360 wrap when I’m on the OUTSIDE of a jump?

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  • Barb VE says:

    Thanks! I think Sarah and Jennifer were basically saying the same thing. As Jennifer summarized: “Where do we draw the line on verbals?! And I drew it here.”
    (If I could run as fast as you, Jennifer, I would have many fewer verbals. 😉 )

  • Barb VE says:

    HI Sarah,

    Could you comment on the pros/cons of doing the backside loup di loup wrap as you describe (Threadle/RC/FC) versus teaching it as a single verbal cue (“flip”).

    Of course, I’m interested because I have been working on teaching Enzo the “flip” cue. I see that your dog does the 3-part cue brilliantly but I can’t help but think it would be faster if he had one cue. On the other hand, as I sit here thinking about it, I realize I would use the same cue for Threadle/RC as for Threadle/RC/FC. So my cue must be only covering the first two.

    In AKC courses, even including premier courses, I don’t think I have ever needed to use this. It seems to come up in the UKI courses every few weeks. (Of course, as I get older, I am less able to get the initial FC or BC which would eliminate the entire issue. 😊 )

    I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on this idea.


    • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

      Hi Barb!
      I’m going to give you my thoughts, but I’ve tagged Jennifer as well for hers.

      I think, like many specialty cues (and many verbal cues), the pros of your approach are independence and the cons are training time. And the biggest two factors that go into that training decision are 1) how much time do you have to train and 2) how often are you going to need that skill and 3) what’s the likelihood that you could handle a different way and 4) how does this skill rank against OTHER skills that you need and don’t yet have.

      So I don’t think it’s wrong to teach it as a single cue and I don’t think it’s wrong to “handle around the issue”. But for me, those questions lead me to NOT train it as a separate cue and instead rely on putting together the cues I already have to handle the sequence.


    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Following up on this to give my 2 cents as well. It is becoming more and more popular to have two separate threadle cues; one for the curl and one for the slice. This is the foundation that Shape Up is doing for example. My mom, for example, has “here” for the threadle slice and “in” for the threadle curl. This sounds similar to your “flip” command. Taking into account all the things that Sarah mentioned, I decided to have a single threadle cue and change what arm I am using to help dictate curl vs slice. I am very aware that this requires me to be ahead, or at least within close visual distance, but I wasn’t sure that my dog could learn so many verbals to the point I trusted them completely. Where do we draw the line on verbals?! And I drew it here.

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