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Tunnel Threadle Rear – U –Tunnel

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  • sjans@gci.net says:

    If dog is on right and curved tunnel curves away from handler , and the path goes into the left tunnel entrance which is straight ahead, and the path goes to the left back to handler after tunnel exit ( no rear cross by handler ), is that a threadle ?
    So basically, the dog has the entrance straight in front of it but the tunnel curves away from the handler.
    Is that scenario a threadle tunnel ?

      • sjans@gci.net says:

        I appreciate your detailed, thoughtful answer 🙂
        So, the scenario I have come across is, the left tunnel entrance is directly in front of the dog as they exit the dogwalk . The tunnel is curving away as in your example video with dog on right and handler moving toward the left after tunnel.
        I have asked instructors and seminar presenters with how to handle this situation and always get a different answer so I wanted to get your opinion :).
        As you said, it is a gray area.
        Unfortunately, my dog ( very fast, drivey BC ) is very literal and I often get a spin in front of the tunnel in these gray area threadles as if she is not sure where she should go ,but, not always.
        I think it is because I haven’t been consistent with my verbal que because I have had alot of conflicting advice .
        I saw somewhere on BDA where Jen Crank was giving advice to someone who had sent in a video and Jens definition of a tunnel threadle is if the dog changes leads ( turns away from you) to do the tunnel. In that case ,my gray area would still be a threadle .
        That made it pretty black and white and I was trying to confirm it in Shape Up lessons but it was not covered.
        So, I guess the gray areas could be considered threadles even though not threadle rears.
        Maybe that’s why Justine uses an open shoulder for tunnel threadles in some excersises ,and then an opposite arm to que her tunnel threadle rears in the lessons, even though it was not explained 🤔
        I guess the most important thing is to train those gray areas and be consistent with my ques and always do it the same way.
        I like what you said about it being a threadle even if the dog is one inch off the tunnel entrance.
        I never even thought of that !
        Would you check with Jen and see if if what I remember her saying is correct?
        I can’t remember where I saw her comment since I was looking up something else.
        Thanks for your help. This has cost my dog many runs !

        • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

          I’ve marked this for Jenn to answer as well, but I wanted to say that because it’s grey, I also believe you have to take the dog into account. If my dog often gave me “too much” handler focus in these spots, I would probably NOT add a threadle cue if they are headed mostly toward the correct one.

          That being said, I believe that a really well trained cue should never have the dog looking AT the handler in these spots. I often find that happens when the dog doesn’t have perfect clarity of the threadle cue. These dogs often turn toward the HANDLER then BACK toward the correct entrance rather than just altering their line from one end of the tunnel to the other without ever turning toward the handler. Does that make sense?

          These are spots where you have to know your dog well enough to predict how they are going to respond to different sets of situations and cues.

          • sjans@gci.net says:

            Good points and a big help 👍
            Now that you mention it, a lot of her spins happen when I give a threadle cue when she is heading to the correct tunnel end in a Grey area 🤔
            I do feel that my dog does not have a perfect understanding of the threadle cue and the reason is because I also have not had an understanding of the threadle que in all it’s forms , which is why I am trying to nail it down 🙄
            Then I can teach her consistently 🙂
            Right now I am using Justines lessons to teach the threadle again from scratch and change my verbal que.
            Looking forward to hearing what Jenn has to say also.
            Thanks so much for your help !

          • Jennifer Crank says:

            It was easier for me to talk through my thoughts and have a diagram vs type it out, so here is a OnForm discussion:

            https://link.getonform.com/view?id=1OnfK1FzeL488NULEQDv

          • sjans@gci.net says:

            Thanks Jenn !
            The diagrams were just what I needed !
            Also, the reminder to use the same threadle que , but with less drama in a grey area than you would a more obvious threadle .
            Since the more obvious tunnel threadles are ” harder” for the dog, I am sure I originally trained those more and when I came to a gray area threadle on course, my dog would spin because she didn’t “see” it and didn’t know what the heck I was talking about 🙄
            Like Bee, Parker found her own interpretation of the que !
            At least now I am clear on what the que means 🙂
            In my retrain I am changing the tunnel threadle word and hopefully that will reset us and we will get past this 🙂
            I was using the same word I use for jump threadles( paired with the tunnel que) which probably was not a great idea for Parker since she is so literal .
            As you said, dog dependent issue.
            It’s nice to know you guys are there to answer questions as I go along 🙂
            Thanks sooo much !!


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