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Jungle Gym Teeter

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  • MaryT says:

    What end behaviour is Jennifer expecting in Video 4? She commented she needs better understanding of end behaviour.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I would like her to drive to the end of the board and sit with all four feet on the board. At the point in the video that I mention her having problems, she goes from doing her 4-on sit position to a 2o2o. I do not want her coming into a 2o2o and then backing up onto the board for the sit.

  • MaryT says:

    Do not have a teeter at home so was wondering what I could do to help me introduce the teeter to my 2yr old sheltie. I do go to a facility to train but can’t adjust the teeter. Any suggestions?

  • phosenfeld@wowway.com says:

    here are three videos – as I said in my other comment, Zippity gets on the teeter on his own. This evening, I tried it with two tables under the teeter, one table, and none. It was still very hot this evening but we were in the shade.

    https://youtu.be/P_2fj5iteUs

    https://youtu.be/pM5gBoxla5w

    https://youtu.be/zRnOGgwG4rI

    Jennifer, what do you think? welcome your input about teeter training for Zippity.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      He looks great! I am not seeing any worry about the teeter so I think now we need to develop a plan that focuses on the desired behavior we want rather than just simple exposure to the teeter.

      Since I have seen your set up now, I would not do 2o2o with the table there as I don’t think there is enough room. Use the two tables to develop speed and confidence but only worry about 2o2o when the teeter hits the ground.

      I would go back to the two tables and work more on going from end to end. Where you hung out in the middle, it didn’t allow for as much teeter motion and he got lots of treats for pausing at the pivot point. This is not what we want. We want him to DRIVE to the end. Still let him turn around on the board and get on wherever he wants, but focus more on yellow to yellow and getting treats near the end of the board. Do more of that and check in with me and I will tell you want to do next.

      Also, I wouldn’t do too much more until your 2o2o is a bit feather along.

      Great work!!

  • phosenfeld@wowway.com says:

    here is where we are with the travel board:
    https://youtu.be/RCLu6vF5kxw

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Great start! I would go ahead and begin to add some changes to your position and location as he recalls across the board. Can you face forward? Can you have a hand extended? What if there is a toy on the ground; will he stop or run across the board to toy?

      We can certainly work on this more tomorrow in our lesson but there are some 2o2o travel board videos posted in the DW section (I believe. I know they are somewhere…I filmed them 😉)

      Also, on every release he breaks off as soon as your hand goes to throw the cookie well before you say “find it”. The markers must be said BEFORE any movement in order for it to work. Be carful or he’s going to learn a hand release instead of a verbal release.

      • phosenfeld@wowway.com says:

        thank you ever so much. I found the 2o2o videos in the dogwalk section. those are great! some good ideas of how to work this skill. I will let the teeter work wait for a while – maybe once I can train inside again where there is an adjustable teeter – I think it would be pretty hard to work on running back and forth with speed on the teeter on tables in my yard. As for 2o2o, I have two travel boards and could put them end to end to practice some running with speed. Do you think this a good idea? if so, when to start it? looking forward to the lesson tomorrow.

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          Yes, putting two travel boards together is not only what I recommend but also what you will see as the progression in the videos. With 3’ boards, you could progress to four boards and end up with a board the length of the dog walk which transitions nicely to adding your stop to both the teeter and dog walk.

  • phosenfeld@wowway.com says:

    Zippity is quite comfortable on the wobble board and has been playing on that since 8 weeks old. I have a teeter in the back yard, but it is not adjustable. I can put small tables under both ends. However, I must note that when he’s outside playing, I have seen him just go and get on the teeter, not seeming to mind the full drop (I think Chase taught him :-)!

    My plan is a 2o2o, with release being command to the next obstacle. Questions, Jennifer: (1) since he’s started doing the teeter full height on his own, should I keep the small tables or work with him full height? (2) in your video, it looks like you are walking back and forth along the length of the teeter. I’m not doing that; should I be? Hi5 is much older and way farther along in skill level. Wondering if that’s why you are walking back and forth. I’m just standing nearby and rewarding almost everything Zippity offers. He’s climbing on from the sides and the ends, going back and forth, and sometimes going the full length. I am rewarding any of the above. Is this a problem? or should I be walking alongside him so he gets the idea of traveling end to end?

    as for 2o2o, we are working on getting a 2o2o perpendicular on the travel board. He seems to understand now what behavior gets the reward, so I plan to add distance next. (3) when I do the jungle gym teeter when it’s on the tables, should I try to get 2o2o on the tables? Looking forward to hearing where we go next with this.

    will try to send video once it gets a bit cooler this evening.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      1) My preference is always to start with the teeter lowered vs full height so if it isn’t adjustable then I would use two tables. Once I see a few videos I will confirm this specific to Zippity.

      2) The walking I was doing back and forth was simply to get motion on the board and have the teeter move more. If I stood still she just would stand there. You do no need to move however, if he is okay with handler motion I would go ahead and add it in.

      Yes, a 2o2o with obstacle command as the release is great. I’d love for the 2o2o behavior to be solidified before teaching the teeter so that yes, you can ask for end position when doing the training. For a dog who is really worried about it I might have then start the board with the 2o2o work, but in general, the more reps without the 2o2o, the harder it is to put it back on.

  • Abby says:

    Do you have an opinion on this approach (using an adjustable height teeter) vs. keeping the height of the teeter the same and allowing a larger and larger drop (e.g., by using blocks or other methods to control how much the teeter can drop)?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      My preference is for this method as my experience shows me that the board being low to the ground is more encouraging and promotes more confidence. I have done it the other way as well and if you did not have an adjustable teeter it would be an appropriate alternative.

  • susanneal says:

    Will you continue teaching the sit on the end of the teeter as it raises to full height?
    When practicing the teeter in a sequence will you use a verbal release after the sit?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      As of now, yes. Hi5 is 18 months and competing in excellent standard. To date, I have required the sit on the end of the teeter in all competitions and training. I release from the sit with the next command.

      I expect at some point in her career that I will begin to do early releases and you will not then see the sit position at the end. If I begin doing that now at her young age I expect it would cause confusion in her performance which would be followed by a lack of speed and drive.

  • CarylD says:

    Jennifer,
    Do you teach all your dogs the sit position instead of down for the teeter? Have you had any dogs that naturally performed better with the a down?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Hi5 is only the second dog I am training with a sit at the end of the teeter. Most of my past dogs have done a 2o2o. I would do the jungle gym with whatever position you choose to train. Teaching a down at the end of the teeter is very common right now but I have no experience training that behavior.

      • timelessminis1@gmail.com says:

        Jennifer
        Why did you switch from 2020 to the sit?

        Lynn

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          I have been seeing too many dogs, including my own, who are in such a rush to reach their front feet to the ground that they are actually touching the ground with their front feet before the board hits the ground. This isn’t something that I like and can be called as an off course depending on the organization. Also, I have seen dogs who get so front heavy that they are more likely to have a fly off. This is my attempt to prevent those things with a 4 on position.

          • timelessminis1@gmail.com says:

            Thanks. I have been trying to teach my dog to do this but using a down. He prefers down to sitting for his stays too.

          • Jennifer Crank says:

            A down is fine and, in my opinion, perfectly acceptable as long as you are consistent. Hi5 chose a sit. Initially when I asked for a down, due to the downward angle of the board, she would slide forward. I think she liked to sit because she could use her front feet to counterbalance the angle of the board. However, a lot of the herding dogs that I deal with prefer the down both on the teeter and the start line. That is how my last border collie was. My young sheltie is currently preferring a down as well. What is important is that you maintain consistency.

          • timelessminis1@gmail.com says:

            Thanks


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