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Box Method – Adding Speed

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  • Pupcentr@bellsouth.net says:

    Hey Jenn, at what point do you fade the box?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      When I am getting consistent performances with the box (sessions of 80-100% success) in a sequence, I will start to fade. I do make sure to fade the box and not just remove it. At first I will remove the bottom bar so that basically it is 3 edges. The 2 sides aren’t really doing much except giving the dogs the visual of the box. If the dog continues to do well, I will start to take the sides off which mostly makes it a stride regulator at that point. I leave the stride regulator there for a decent amount of time to build the muscle memory. I don’t get in a rush to remove it but if the dog seems to be consistently doing well, I will do 1 out of every 5 without it. Then 2/5 without it, and keep going from there.

      Running contacts are often something that is tweaked and adjusted from team to team, so this is something that might be a different answer with each dog.

  • cordell.barbara@gmail.com says:

    Hi Jenn. Can you please review our performance? I think I am seeing my pup take 3 strides on the way down (where the one right before the box is shortened?) and from watching another video critique I think I need to get rid of the noodle at the top and use a stride regulator somewhere on the downside so he maybe then he will only do 2 strides on the way down. If this is the case where would I put the stride regulator? Also, how long should I use the box and when should I start raising the A-Frame? Thank you!

    https://youtu.be/MS5_MrnNAQE

    Barbara

  • ashleysdogsports@gmail.com says:

    Hi,
    I need some help with her a frame. I feel like my box placement is causing her to hit almost right on the contact line. But rather than move the box and test it all out I’d like some guidance.
    We have spent a good amount of time with the box on the flat in jump grids and on a lower frame. Today we raised it another 3 inches so it’s higher but I kept the box on. Should I use stride regulators or change the position of the box?
    Maybe my expectations are not realistic but I feel like she can physically hit the yellow with both back feet 😅😂
    https://youtu.be/ho_okctDQlk

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Here are my thoughts on this video specifically, but I might need to see some of the steps leading up to this point if you have video. I’m not sure if it a box issue or a overall striding issue.

      Feedback: https://link.getonform.com/view?id=IfaCR6RY2TiM7riCgYmc

      LMK if you have questions.

      • ashleysdogsports@gmail.com says:

        So would placing a stride regulator on the approach side as well as lower on contact side be helpful to her learning how to stride across it? I don’t mind lowering it and going back to square one if I need to. I really want her to be confident in the criteria.

        This was some reps once we first added height. I feel like a lot depends on her speed leading up to the a frame. But we haven’t found our groove where we can maintain more speed consistently so that’s a work in progress as well.
        https://youtu.be/RXxVpwcyXy8

        • Jennifer Crank says:

          I am not a fan of stride regulators on the approach side if you can avoid it. And I don’t see a reason you need to add them.

          For me personally, I would not have rewarded that first rep. I discourage one hits. I think they can be unsafe and often happen on accident and not intentional. Great eye on the 2nd and 3rd rep. I didn’t like those either. Now the 4th and 5th rep were good! I’d like a bit more length to her stride but I think that will come with confidence. So the box placement here and a good and a this was a better session, even though with was an easier session. I’m inclined to think that you moving the box up made things worse. Keep it where shown here.

  • Leslie Wood says:

    Do you recommend raising the a-frame height before or after transitioning from the box to the stride regulator?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      For Molly, I would transition from the box to the single stride regulator and *then* move up to full height. I might answer that differently for different dogs.

  • jcsudan@hotmail.com says:

    I hope this is still the place to post this. I’d like evaluated on all of it. It does include his aframe. I think I really need to work on my rear crosses or maybe I should have done something different. https://youtu.be/GMZeRCi-fsY

  • jcsudan@hotmail.com says:

    I am pretty happy with Nimbus’s aframe. I added the box a few weeks ago when he started flying off. He hit nicely at his first show last weekend! I thought I’d use a stride reg off and on to make sure he continues with nice hits or should I just use it if he starts having issues again? https://youtu.be/3J2zlRO8Oz8

  • ashleysdogsports@gmail.com says:

    Is there a thread on fading the box?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I will confirm with Sarah where they might be and, if they aren’t available, I will get them posted this week. My process for fading involves removing the bottom and sides of the box and working some reps with just the top bar. At that point it looks and acts as a single stride regulator. After several sessions of that, I will then remove it. Many people will go as far as painting their box to match the color of their aframe so the dog becomes less visually dependent on it. For a lot of dogs, the stride regulator can be quickly and easily added on the frame through out their career as a reminder if the are having any trouble. .

  • Janet says:

    Hi Jennifer, I’ve worked thru the steps, we’re at the full height with speed and he’s doing great. But all along, I think maybe he hits too high and should have adjusted the box a little lower. I did lower it once early on and it threw him off, caused a subtle stutter. I thought it would do more harm than good so I put it back to where just above the yellow because he does consciously hit inside the box with his natural long stride. He’s pretty consistent with hitting just like in this video with all kinds of motion and obstacles before and after. Do you think I’m asking for trouble with these high hits that could eventually turn into flying off? Once in a great while, he does jump over entire box and hit the ground running, but less than a handful of times. I figure it’s due to over arousal, over the apex too fast type of thing. So what do you think with the box placement and how he hits with all 4 feet hit in that first section of yellow? https://youtu.be/ptjuveroh3I

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Based on your text I wasn’t too worried about the A-frame but once I watched the video, if these are consistent with most of the A-frames that you were getting, I would love to see what happens when the box is slid down further. He is getting into the contact zone but not as deep as I would like. Also, make sure to keep your reinforcement position low to the ground and about 10-15 feet out from the base of the A-frame.

      My thoughts: https://youtu.be/cFmZjm8WdQA

      • Janet says:

        Ah! great observation he shortens his 2nd stride into the yellow. I did not see that. Yes, this is near 100% of how he hits the last few sessions with that nice stride over the top and then right on the top of the yellow. I will do what you suggest for a few sessions and see what I get. will send you next vid with multiple hits so you get a better picture – thanks!

      • Janet says:

        Hi – I had a few minutes to go try this tonight. I lowered the box and here are a few reps – I think this works! He still wants to hit right after the top of the box, but with it lower, its more in yellow at least – thoughts? https://youtu.be/YLtOR6znnWk

      • Janet says:

        Hi – I lowered the box and here are a few reps – I think this works! He still wants to hit right after the top of the box, but with it lower, its more in yellow at least – thoughts?
         https://youtu.be/YLtOR6znnWk

  • cynthia says:

    Hi Jennifer, what are your reasons for having the box slightly higher than the contact zone? Do you want your dogs to hit higher in zone?

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      I want my dog to hit in the center of the box. That is the goal and how I train it on the flat. So when adding it to the aframe, I want to center it around where I want/expect my dog to hit in the contact. If I put the box around the contact zone, that would encourage a deeper hit than I want and deeper than what I think this sheltie can give me. It is very unlikely that he would hit in the box but be so near the top edge of the box that he doesn’t hit the yellow.

      I do think the box position can and should be adjusted for different dogs, especially when looking at different stride lengths.

  • degansndog@hotmail.com says:

    I didn’t go through all of these steps to teach my B.C.’s Sugar and Bernie the running Aframe. I introduced it to them on the ground then put it on the Aframe completely flat and all the way to the bottom. Added the cue word “hit-it” on the ground and applied it to the Aframe. I started by using a target with a treat on it out from the bottom of the Aframe and then started throwing it from my hand. I never did more then two repetitions (Aframe only) the first few lessons and then just started using it on a course. Both dogs got it quickly. Now, once in a while I will put it on the Aframe just as a reminder although I haven’t had any problems without it. The running contacts have been a big help for Sugar who is extremely reactive to distractions if she has the opportunity to stop anywhere on course including bolting to bark at something. Running contacts have definitely been a big help. Both dogs are highly motivated.

    • Jennifer Crank says:

      Awesome! It sounds like your training went well. All dogs are different and some pick up on the training a bit quicker than others. And with running contacts some dogs are more included to success based on size and stride. This thread will be good if at any point in time you begin to have trouble and are looking for ways to review their understanding or proof the behavior.


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