Exercise 4 – Lengthen the Tunnel – Bad Dog Agility Academy

Exercise 4 – Lengthen the Tunnel

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  • janetandzinnie says:

    I think she is ready for lesson 8. Do you agree?
    https://youtu.be/8V8vhBkGzHE

    • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

      Yes! You look absolutely fantastic – though make sure you’re always wearing the right shoes! 🙂

      • janetandzinnie says:

        yes so true about the shoes! I have a general question, not sure where to post it. We are doing some FEO league competition, and zinnie is developing the habit of saying hi to the judge before we start. (She ignores them after we start the course.) She started doing that in class (saying hi to the trainer when we enter the ring) after the trainer helped with exercises by handling the food reward. I remember seeing a video by Esteban that was training the dog to give him attention by clicking treating upon entrance, etc – is that what I should do? I know when she is going to say hello to the other person because when we enter the ring, she is totally focused on them. I can make a video if you would like

        • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

          Making a video is great too, but yes, the attention “game” is a great idea. Does she break a start to do it? Does she hold the start but on release go to the person instead of the obstacle?

          • janetandzinnie says:

            she doesn’t break the start – it is when we first go into the ring and I take off her leash, and off she goes to say hello to whoever is there. When she comes back to me and I ask if she is ready, she is and from then on her attention is all on me. I will ask someone to video at my next class.

          • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

            Video would be great. Can you sit her and THEN take off the leash? If she doesn’t break?

          • janetandzinnie says:

            a new idea! i will video this week.

          • janetandzinnie says:

            here is a video showing 3 circumstances: how we start at training, at a class, at a league competition. The “training” start shows what we do – it evolved from when I took the Fenzi “focus” class – when she looked at me and jumped on me, I knew she was ready to work. (we practice in our back yard and at a local park, so this is also her cue that we are working not just hanging out). In class she now wants to say hi to the trainer – didn’t happen at first, but started after the trainer helped us by providing the food reward at times. At league, sometimes she visits, sometimes she doesn’t. I am trying to stay connected, play and not take off the leash until she is in the sit-stay to start – but you can see what happened when I did this at league. We have our trial debut in 2 weeks !

            https://youtu.be/kz4GLCW8PA0

          • janetandzinnie says:

            here is a video showing 3 circumstances: how we start at training, at a class, at a league competition. The “training” start shows what we do – it evolved from when I took the Fenzi “focus” class – when she looked at me and jumped on me, I knew she was ready to work. (we practice in our back yard and at a local park, so this is also her cue that we are working not just hanging out). In class she now wants to say hi to the trainer – didn’t happen at first, but started after the trainer helped us by providing the food reward at times. At league, sometimes she visits, sometimes she doesn’t. I am trying to stay connected, play and not take off the leash until she is in the sit-stay to start – but you can see what happened when I did this at league. We have our trial debut in 2 weeks !

            https://youtu.be/kz4GLCW8PA0

          • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

            Hmmm – ok – yeah, that is a real problem. I think I would practice your set up routine a lot at home where you can put her up if she disconnects and then try again in 5-10 mins.

            You’re going to have to transition to a shorter and “smaller” (in terms of how much space you have) routine for trials. My inclination is to do your pushing “ready” game outside the ring when there’s still a few dogs to go. Then when it’s time to come into the ring, you have a few options, either just walk in on lead, or tug in (if your dog tugs, you can have them tug on the leash), or use some other trick as you walk in (like maybe nose touches). I would either take the leash off and then sit, or sit and then take the leash off, but if she goes to say hi I would immediately get her back and leave the ring. No harshness, no punishment. Then try again a few minutes later.

            She really does key in on you pretty good afterward. So we need to just remove that period of “checking out”.

            If you bring her into the area and she keeps it together, even just for 3-4 obstacles, then celebrate and tell her how awesome she is and love on her and put her and all that good stuff! So there’s a BIG difference between her going off and quietly being put up and her staying with you, getting to do some awesome agility, and then ALSO getting all the lovies!

          • janetandzinnie says:

            I have been using your suggestions, she is doing better. Now I have a question about her debut (AKC) in 4 days. I just listened to the Facebook live replay of the mental aspects of debuting. Very helpful, but now I worry that I entered her either too soon or in the wrong events (standard, and JWW) (I didn’t know about FAST and t2b). We have been doing league, so that is practice competition. I like the concept of focusing on what Zinnie needs, which is primarily having confidence (so she then has fun). She sometimes misses the running a-frame and weaves when she is excited, so it is a distinct possibility that will happen, or she will say hi to the judge. My plan is not have her re-try any errors, and call her back (once) if she visits the judge. I am interested in your feedback on this plan – it will make me less nervous if I know in advance what I will do in various circumstances! Also I am considering not attending the trial, if it risks long term improvement of our team

          • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

            Yes, I think at this first experience, I would forgive almost anything. I would not scold or anything for missed contacts or weaves since you just really don’t know how the stress of the trial will affect her. Think of this as fact finding.

            Now, I don’t want to create a PATTERN of missing obstacles, so after the first trial, I will start holding that criteria, but the biggest focus here is to have a good experience AND see where you’re at in your training.

          • janetandzinnie says:

            thank you so much for your help on this!

          • janetandzinnie says:

            Zinnie did great at her debut. She wanted to “visit” when we first entered the ring, but we played and then she stayed with me. You have helped so much! Here is a link to her AKC debut, if you want to see it (it is the first time she has seen a panel jump, which we now call “evil yellow wall”)
            https://youtu.be/ZOoaKx7lgz0

          • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

            Ok – I forgot when looking at the video and then remembered once I got to the thread to add my comment that this was the dog we were working with for the running away to visit. So I have to give you extra extra HUGE kudos! She did FANTASTIC on the start. YAY YAY YAY!!!!

          • janetandzinnie says:

            We did a second trial (she continues to do well at the start line if I make sure she is connected to me before I take off the leash). From your verbal review of our debut video, I was prepared to make sure she was clear on the contact requirements. She did fine at the trial so i didn’t have to repeat to fix (also we did FEO). But then – yesterday I listened to the Dec 2021 VIP Webinar with Kathy Keats, and you guys talked about Fix and Go, and that you didn’t think it was a good idea. So now I am confused about what I should do during a trial to maintain criteria, if Zinnie does not do a contact correctly. I hope you are having a wonderful christmas season!

          • Sarah Fernandezlopez says:

            Sorry for the delay! We do take some time off in December.

            It’s not that it’s not a good idea, so much as it has limited use since you can only fix it once per run. The way I would use it is to redo a contact if the dog broke (or start), and if they miss again, I would leave the ring.

            If you are doing this on a regular basis, then you need to back off of trialing (or only do FEO) until the contact behavior is better proofed.

            I would NOT continue to use FEO once a weekend giving the dog continuous second chances. Does that make sense?

          • janetandzinnie says:

            I am glad that you take time off in December! yes your comment makes sense. My plan is to fix once, if it happens again leave the ring, and if it keeps happening I know she isn’t ready to trial. Thank you


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